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Just bought a 06 civic hybrid and am getting 35mpg. Now, I do live in Los Angeles and drive a lot of stop and go but I read real world would be 43-47. It only has 670 mile and it is not worn in yet, but 35? My father in law is getting 32 with his 06 civic lx. wtf?
All in all I love the car. Esp the nav and voice command. I think it looks a LOT better then the Prius, but I wish I had the hatch back. It handles great and is very pleasant all around. I just want better mileage.
Just bought a 06 civic hybrid and am getting 35mpg. Now, I do live in Los Angeles and drive a lot of stop and go but I read real world would be 43-47. It only has 670 mile and it is not worn in yet, but 35? My father in law is getting 32 with his 06 civic lx. wtf?
All in all I love the car. Esp the nav and voice command. I think it looks a LOT better then the Prius, but I wish I had the hatch back. It handles great and is very pleasant all around. I just want better mileage.
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Re: dissapointed with mpg?
Tue, July 4, 2006 - 8:11 AMHey, Billy -- give it a chance. A few things you can do:
First, check the tire pressure. Make sure it hasn't drifted down below the manufacturer's recommendations. That's one way to kill your fuel economy. If you can stand the ride, pump them up a bit above the recommended PSI, without exceeding the pressure stamped on the sidewall. Many people go to 35psi, 38 psi, even 40 or above (but that's too bumpy a ride, for my personal taste).
Combine trips if possible. Short trips will really hurt the fuel economy, too. Your car's computers work hard in the first five or so minutes to warm up the catalytic converter to maintain your AT-PZEV emissions rating, and in those five minutes, it's not running for max fuel economy. If you run lots of short trips, your car is mostly running in "warm-up" mode rather than in a fuel-efficient mode.
A/C use hurts fuel economy some, too. It's not as bad in your HCH II as it was in the HCH I (the 2003-2005 style), but nothing is free; if you power the A/C, though it's run off the electric system, sooner or later you'll have to replenish that battery and that may come from the engine if you're not doing enough regen braking.
Do you have Econ mode on? Is your car going into AutoStop when you are stopped? If not, that's hurting your fuel economy too. I know in L.A. it may be impossible to sit in stop and go traffic with AutoStop on, but I'm just pointing out the ways that your fuel economy could be suffering.
And, gasoline with additives will lower your MPG slightly, too. I believe in CA you have no choice but to use this kind of gasoline.
And yes, your car will do some better when both IT and YOU get broken in. :-) Gentle, coasting stops, avoiding jackrabbit starts, etc., will all become part of your driving style if they aren't already.
"Real-world" MPG is a funny thing. It's very dependent on your driving style and terrain, etc. You can read what other people are getting at www.greenhybrid.com/compare. One way to test whether there's a problem with your car is to get it out on a nice highway and drive at 40-55 mph for 20 minutes, no stops, and see if your instantaneous MPG stays up in the 50s or higher. If so, it's your unfortunate driving route of stop and go that are producing your results. While hybrid vehicles are a great solution for many people, there are some driving patterns where the MPG payoff isn't worth it. However, you can be happy that your Father-In-Law is emitting smog-forming pollutants at ULEV levels, while you are besting him with AT-PZEV/SULEV levels. (Smog-forming pollutants are not the same as greenhouse-gases, which are directly proportionate to the amount of gasoline burned.)
Hope this helps. Post back and let us know what your tire pressure is... that alone can make a difference. (And get yourself a real gauge -- don't trust the ones on the hose at the Free Air at the gas station!)
peace,
Linda (2001 Toyota Prius, 2003 Honda Civic Hybrid, and now 2006 Honda Insight)
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Re: dissapointed with mpg?
Wed, July 12, 2006 - 8:05 AMStop & go traffic is where the Prius really shines (EPA rates it 60mpg for "City," vs. Civic Hybrid's 49mpg). I've heard this is because the Prius is a "true" hybrid, switching off the gas engine whenever possible. Our real world experience with our Prius is around 47-48mpg with a mixture of highway & city driving. -
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Re: dissapointed with mpg?
Wed, July 12, 2006 - 3:55 PMOh, you smug Prius drivers! True hybrid huh? Fiddlestick on you.
Actually, good for you. I was just wondering if any 06 civic drivers were having the same milage as me. I love the car even more now with a few more miles on it and really wouldn't want to trade it for a Prius despite the better milage. The car's is top running order. I'm a service manager at an infinity dealership. I know a thing or too about cars. I would definitely rather have this car then a infinity. Honda, as well as Toyota makes a great car. The Honda just looks, handles and works better and is safer for my money. Any one know if there are any recalls or technical service bulletins or software upgrades for mileage?
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Re: disappointed with mpg?
Thu, July 13, 2006 - 7:04 PM"True" and "full" are simply marketing terms made up by Toyota and adopted by Ford and Mercury to make their type of hybrid system sound "superior" to other kinds. In reality, the federal government defines hybrid powertrains by the terms "series" and "parallel" depending on how they work. See the Prius TechSnap here: <www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/tech/T...5_01b.pdf>, which says:
Hybrid Electric Vehicle: Not all hybrids are alike. There are
many ways to combine the engine, motor/generator, and
battery. Three basic hybrid configurations are the series,
parallel, and split (or through-the-road) designs.
Series. The engine never directly powers the car. Instead,
the engine drives the generator, and the generator can
either charge the batteries or power an electric motor that
drives the wheels.
Parallel. The engine connects to the transmission, as do
the batteries and the electric motor. So both the engine
and the generator/motor can supply power to the wheels,
switching back and forth as driving conditions vary.
Split. The engine drives one axle and the electric motor
drives the other. There is no connection between the
engine and the electric components except “through
the road.”
For "real-world" MPGs, don't believe the Monroney sticker, instead see the hundreds of honest reports at www.greenhybrid.com/compare...
peace,
Linda
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Re: disappointed with mpg?
Fri, September 8, 2006 - 10:01 AMI have an ‘05 Civic Hybrid and average 40 mpg living and commuting in the bay area and driving in SF, up the hills and in stop & go traffic. I find that when my partner drive my car, he quickly erodes the average. I think it's the way he drives. I find that speed maintenance is a critical element of good mileage. Cruise control is your friend in the civic, even if traffic is going 30 miles an hour. Usually heavy traffic speeds up then slows down, then speeds up. If you can resist speeding up then breaking, and instead maintain a speed that keeps you moving, your mileage will improve.
Like Linda said, the Auto stop will also go a long way to improving mpg in stop & go traffic. I have found that by paying attention to the instant mileage and seeing up to the minute what works and what doesn't, I have learned to be a better mpg driver.
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Re: disappointed with mpg?
Fri, September 8, 2006 - 2:28 PMMy Ford Escape is the same way -- accelerate and decelerate gently and I can get almost 40mpg. If I hot foot it, it'll drop below 30.
Also - in mine, there's an A/C setting that keeps the engine on while stopped, which severely impacts mpg. -
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Re: disappointed with mpg?
Sun, September 10, 2006 - 2:58 PMLastly, keep in mind that the EPA numbers are measured under laboratory conditions, not in real-world driving. They do this to achieve more reproducible results. The problem is that the test cycles are way out of date - the highway portion, for example, assumes an average speed of 48 mph. Who drives 48 on the highway?
As a result, EPA numbers are typically off by 15-20%. This is true for hybrids as well as non-hybrids. The big difference is that 15% of 60 mpg gives you a much bigger absolute error than 15% of 28 mpg. That's why hybrids seem to miss the EPA numbers so egregiously. But EPA numbers are the only numbers auto manufacturers are allowed to talk about.
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